Since I was outed 2 weeks ago in front of the entire church by my senior minister as a "church geek", I have decided to embrace it and not hide it any longer. I'm actually very happy that everyone knows I'm a church geek now - there is freedom when one comes out of their particular closet. One practice that church geeks engage in - or at least this church geek - is surfing the web to look at church and denominational websites online. I like to see their ministries, read about their staff, get a sense of their mission in the world, and read their sermons online. Yes - I read sermons online. I came upon the website for the Mennonite Brethern denomination, an evangelical group here in Canada. While perusing the site, I found an interesting little document entitled "Homosexuality: A Compassionate Yet Firm Response". Hmmmmmm After reading it, something shifted inside me. A sense of holy anger began to fire within. And I believe that this is the type of shift that happens at significant times in life that alter and change the timbre of one's direction. This pamphlet laid out a supposed compassionate response to homosexuality. In actuality, it was full of logical inconsistencies and bad theology. And as a gay Christian, I didn't see much compassion.
As I read this pamphlet shaking my head with a mixture of anger and utter sadness, I made a decision. I made a decision that I will no longer debate the issue of homosexuality in the church any longer.
I'm tired of patiently waiting for the church with its' endless national conferences, discussion groups, church study reports, and congregational meetings to decide what to do with "the issue of homosexuality".
I'm tired of getting clobbered by a twisted reading of Scripture and a flawed hermeneutical method that attempts to show "God's plan for the family". But the same interpretive method used to condemn me is conveniently set aside when looking at other social issues in Scripture. Hello cafeteria-style Bible study.
I'm fed up with tolerating the most incredible statements made to me all in the name of the notorious face-saving quote of "loving the sinner but hating the sin". The statements that many Christians have said to me in no way reflect a Gospel, Biblical love. Make these same statements to another group in society and there could be legal action.
I'm angered by the conservative church's refusal to acknowledge the failure rate of ex-gay ministries. Our church is one of several congregations in the church world that see the ugly side of ex-gay ministries that no one wants to talk about. Broken people come to us after surviving these ministries and can't even believe that God loves them. Something as basic as "God loves me" is difficult for them to accept. People like myself who tried to experience authentic change, who truly opened ourselves up to God as much as we could to allow the "healing" to come, and people who are in shambles because no such change occured come to our doorsteps. People in tears; lives that are shattered; hope abandoned.
I'm in tears over how long it is taking the church to change and for justice to flow like a mighty river. It's excrutiating. But it took the Southern Baptist Convention over 100 years to apologize for its' miscarriage of justice involving the institution of slavery, so why am I in such a rush. "Oh but that's different than homosexuality". Please - spare me the rhetoric.
Just as I don't coddle a person who believes the earth is flat, that women shouldn't be ordained or in leadership positions in the church, and that mixed race marriages are morally wrong, I will not tip toe around someone who still believes that homosexuality is a sin or at the least is not God's best. If a person is honestly sincerely seeking the truth regarding same sex attraction and orientation, there are plenty of theological readings, scientific and psychological studies, and most importantly testimonies of faithful gay women and men with amazing, fulfilled lives and an authentic and vibrant faith. For people who get their head out of the sand long enough, there is ample evidence - Biblical, theological, and existential - that bring truth to this matter.
The church will eventually change its' position and will issue apologies just like it has on past social issues. I pray that this repentance occurs in my lifetime. Since I see glimmers of hope for change occuring within pockets of the church, I am cautiously optimistic. My prayer is that the institutional church will learn from history, and right the wrongs sooner than later.
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Wow! Excellent post Curt! I'm truly amazed that you stuck to the path you are on! Forme, the path has been quite different. I abandoned the faith, and now have more of an agnostic view. It was arguments like this and debates over creationism and Evolution, as well as people holding to literal interpretations of scriptute that led to me look very closely at my beliefs.
ReplyDeleteThe whole homosexuality issue was also a key thing for me. Just as you read that statement from the Mennonite Conference, there really is not much compassion, is there? I also believe that ex-gay ministries (having been part of Living Waters), does far, far more damage than healing. I have seen numerous people 'healed', and they go back to the church and suffer in silence because now, since they have experienced 'healing', they are forced to be something they are not.
Anyway, good post!
A - FREAKIN' - MEN!
ReplyDeleteThanks Michael for those words. I've seen too much pain and hopelessness in people's lives for me to coddle to a belief system that isn't based on truth. I had to share my journey....
ReplyDeleteAnd Rev Graham: A-FREAKIN'-MEN right back atcha! XOXO
Hey BCCurt, I have a question for you. Since you mention slavery as an illustration of how the church got things wrong, let me ask, "Could it be the opposite?" Could it be that "slavery" as we know it from humanitarian injustices of early America, etc. is NOT the true Biblical concept and that it never was...though men often take Bible verses and twist them to fit their own agenda (just as you did in an earlier post using Peter's vision of the sheet in Acts to apply to a homosexual "wedding")? Slavery was a humanitarian injustice against the Israelites in Egypt. Is THAT presented positively in Scripture? I think not. However, but a type of household job we refer to as an "indentured servant" WAS presented positively (eg. Eph. 6) as it was the economy of the day. Biblical servanthood is a needed subject too long for one post. In short, God provided this economy for His people and especially for the poor. For sure, people have done similar twisting of the Bible for their view of "races" (also too long for one post, but one we deal with regularly). For certain, EVERY argument you've mentioned is one we've heard before, "straw-men" used against historical Christianity to make "it" the standard rather than Scripture and "thus saith the LORD" (NOT man's "interpretation" of the Scripture). Instead, you frequently pit "thus saith man" vs. "thus saith man" and NEITHER are ultimately authoritative. In essence, you have no solid foundation by relying on human opinion. So many times, it is our lack of knowledge about the cultures and languages of thousands of years of Biblical history--combined with a flawed view of the Creator--that leads us TODAY, with a humanistic 21st century mindset, to make wrong conclusions about God, His Word, and present-day issues. "Could it be the opposite?" That is, that you're hoping/praying for an INjustice akin to the man-twisted idea of slavery of old? That YOU likewise twist Scripture to fit YOUR agenda, thereby seeking to foist upon the church a like-bondage called "homosexuality," using shifting human opinion and emotion as your basis? Have you considered this option, or is your mind so made up that you cannot do so?
ReplyDeleteAs I said in my post, I'm not debating this topic any longer. You're not drawing me into a debate that is as pointless as debating whether African-Americans are inferior to whites.
ReplyDeleteI will say that your quote "So many times, it is our lack of knowledge about the cultures and languages of thousands of years of Biblical history--combined with a flawed view of the Creator--that leads us TODAY, with a humanistic 21st century mindset, to make wrong conclusions about God, His Word, and present-day issues" PRECISELY makes my point! I couldn't have said it better myself. It is a lack of knowledge about the culture of the time and the cultural setting of those 6-7 passages in the Bible that talk about same sex activity that lead the present day church to make wrong conclusions about homosexuality. The same exact thing that is happening with homosexuality is the same exact thing that happened with slavery in early America: taking Bible verses out of their cultural setting and context and using them to oppress and condemn a group of people. The passages in Genesis (the creation story), Leviticus, Sodom and Gomorrah, Romans, and I Corinthians have NOTHING to do with present day understandings of sexual orientation and same sex attraction. And have you considered this option, or is your mind so made up that you cannot do so?
If you're seriously interested in this subject, I encourage you to read the following books and check out the following website:
"Stranger At The Gate: To Be Gay And Christian In America" By Mel White
"Is The Homosexual My Neighbor?" by Letha Dawson Scanzoni and Virginia Ramey Mollenkott
"Gays Under Grace: A Gay Christian's Response To Homosexuality" by Maury Johnston
"The Bible Tells Me So: Uses And Abuses of Holy Scripture" by Jim Hill and Rand Cheadle
And check out the Soulforce website. www.soulforce.org.
"I'm not debating this topic any longer."
ReplyDeleteYou're exactly right. There is no debate of this topic. Either the design of God allows for homosexuality, or it doesn't.
"..debate...as pointless as debating whether African-Americans are inferior to whites."
The subject of race isn't even in the same category as a conflict based upon nebulously-termed "sexual orientation." Melanin is a physical characteristic. Homosexuality isn't. It is a self-proclaimed ACTIVITY, and homosexuals HAVE changed and completely left this activity-based lifestyle. In addition, it is the height of Biblical ignorance to compare this conflict to the debate over slavery. The subject of slavery is for another post or a series of posts, but suffice it to say, the modern concept we have of slavery in early America is a result of human perversion of God's design.
Curt, I read your post and was truly moved. I am "Bobby's" partner and I am one of those people that felt forced out of the church by the "better" Christians. I grew up Fundamentalist Baptist and believe me, there was nothing "FUN" about it. I have always felt judged by the church and most of those Christians would say, that's God's conviction if you feel that way. What a copout. They all have their little lock-step one liners and zingers that are always regurgitated from their lips every time there is something they can't quite fit into their little pre-labeled boxes of what a "good Christian" should be. I consider myself to be a very spiritual person and I have a conversation with Jesus every day. I thank Him for all my blessings and thank Him for saving me when I was 12 years old. I understand my relationship with Him and find that I don't need to judge others or berate them for who they are and how God made them.
ReplyDeleteWhat if the true test here is how others in the church respond to the ones of them that are different. What if God is watching how his followers interpret and respond to the scriptures and how they judge the ones that are different. That's of course if you believe God has to "test" anyone because He knows the beginning and the ending at the same time. How would His followers feel if they were to switch places with the ones being judged? What if they could glimpse the pain and hurt they have caused to so many people that have been forced to leave the church because they felt uncomfortable and unaccepted?
Keep up the great blog. I am enjoying it.
Al Davis
Hi Al!
ReplyDeleteFirst off - I apologize for taking so long to respond. Got very behind on things. I so appreciate your thoughts here. I love the statement "What if the true test here is how others in the church respond to the ones of them that are different?" Very insightful.
I'm glad you're enjoying the blog. I am going to try to be more regular with it (I just posted a new entry tonight)
I hope you are continuing on your faith journey. I came out of a fundamentalist background as well. Please know there are a faithful remnant of believers out there that welcome the outcast and are progressive in their theology and open in their journey. Let me know if you need help identifying those particular communities.
Stay in touch!!
Blessings to you.
Curt